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  • January 31, 2021 at 4:32 pm #1276594
    Maskenzauber

    Hi,
    you know what IPTC-data is?!
    iptc.org/
    Its a kind of important metadata, specially regarding SEO.

    Issues:
    1: The metadata field “Copyright” does not grab the content from the appropriate IPTC-fields (you can easily check it yourself) out from the image when uploaded to the medialibrary like it does with “Titel” & “Beschriftung”
    This is a “pia” since users have to paste the copyright field manually on hundreds or thousands of images via medialibrary.

    2: The same issue with the fields for Description (and alt-attribute. This might be not Enfolds fault but at least you should be modern and progressive enough to provide a solution in usability instead of developing gimmicks) although ALL existing IPTC & Metadata fields has been filled out.

    3: Enfold deletes the metadata from the images, at least for every image which is generated by Enfold
    Example: The original image “test.jpg” contains all IPTC-data, the image “test-845×684.jpg” (which is an Enfold-thumbnail) has no IPTC-data anymore.
    (you can easily check it yourself by adding this plugin into your Chrome or Firefox: addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/iptc-photo-metadata-inspector/)

    EDIT to #3:
    It is not always like that, but in most cases and i have no idea under which circumstances the metadata gets lost and when not

    Maren

    February 6, 2021 at 5:18 pm #1278305
    Mike

    Hey Maskenzauber,
    Sorry for the very late reply, so I did not know what IPTC-data was, and thanks for the link, but in my research, it seems that IPTC-data is typically exported from a photo editor and then imported via CSV. For WordPress it seems that you will need to use a plugin.
    The copyright field for the images is one that we added a few versions ago, to be filled in manually, it doesn’t check for “copyright” data of the images.

    Best regards,
    Mike

    February 8, 2021 at 7:14 pm #1278767
    Maskenzauber

    Sorry, but you completely missed the topic.
    it is NOT about the way how metadata comes into the pic.
    It is about the fact that Enfold deletes the metadata from images that already contains metadata

    This can cause:
    – copyright lawsuits
    – bad SEO
    and a lot of other trouble

    So why is Enfold deleting Metada?

    February 9, 2021 at 1:31 pm #1279045
    Mike

    Hi,
    I don’t think that this is the way it works, I believe that you need to use a plugin to read the image data and import into WordPress. WordPress doesn’t extract this data by default, and Enfold doesn’t add this function.

    Best regards,
    Mike

    February 9, 2021 at 2:18 pm #1279063
    Maskenzauber

    Once again:
    3: Enfold deletes the metadata from the images, at least for every image which is generated by Enfold
    Example: The original image “test.jpg” contains all IPTC-data, the image “test-845×684.jpg” (which is an Enfold-thumbnail) has no IPTC-data anymore.
    (you can easily check it yourself by adding this plugin into your Chrome or Firefox: addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/iptc-photo-metadata-inspector/)

    February 9, 2021 at 3:50 pm #1279126
    Mike

    Hi,
    Can you post a link to a test image with IPTC-data and post what the IPTC-data is so I can test this?

    Best regards,
    Mike

    February 9, 2021 at 9:04 pm #1279232
    Maskenzauber

    Hi,
    To hopefully end this debate

    This is the data from an original testfile which was on my server at the moment when i made that screenshot
    As obvious: It contains metadata.
    maskenzauber.com/temp/IPTC-with.jpg

    This is the so called thumbnail (705×470)which has been generated by Enfold from the testfile.
    It contains no more metada
    maskenzauber.com/temp/IPTC-without.jpg

    And more:
    There is no difference between metadata & IPTC
    IPTC IS metadata.
    Its just a standardized vocabulary.

    Tipps:
    1: Google for “photographer Enfold” or “Fotograf Enfold” and find some
    2: Do a sitesearch for the founded sites (site:domain) in imagesearch
    3: Flip through the images and check some images and you will find what i described

    February 9, 2021 at 9:39 pm #1279251
    Maskenzauber

    DONT MISS my last thread

    Here is the PROOF:
    https://dev.maskenzauber.com/wp-content/uploads/B7B3282.jpg
    Has metadata:
    https://getpmd.iptc.org/getpmd/?imgurl=https://dev.maskenzauber.com/wp-content/uploads/B7B3282.jpg

    https://dev.maskenzauber.com/wp-content/uploads/B7B3282-1030×687.jpg
    Has no metadata:
    https://getpmd.iptc.org/getpmd/?imgurl=https://dev.maskenzauber.com/wp-content/uploads/B7B3282-1030×687.jpg

    Even more you can check that with

    IPTC-Test

    February 12, 2021 at 3:52 pm #1280075
    Mike

    Hi,
    Sorry for the late reply and thanks for the image and links. So I tested this on a clean WordPress install without Enfold, and I find that the original image you upload contains the “IPTC” data, but for every thumbnail that WordPress creates the “IPTC” data is not included.
    WordPress original image:
    https://getpmd.iptc.org/getpmd/html/stds/ipmd/?imgurl=https://savvyify.com/enfold/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/B7B3282.jpg
    WordPress created image:
    https://getpmd.iptc.org/getpmd/html/stds/ipmd/?imgurl=https://savvyify.com/enfold/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/B7B3282-1024×683.jpg
    So this explains why you are having this issue, your two links above are pointing to one original and one thumbnail, aka WordPress created image.
    Since WordPress doesn’t offer this functionality and Enfold doesn’t add it, I would recommend looking for a plugin.
    I also notice that the “IPTC” data is not easily available in image software (on Windows) only EXIF is shown in my software.

    Best regards,
    Mike

    February 12, 2021 at 5:21 pm #1280114
    Maskenzauber

    “Since WordPress doesn’t offer this functionality and Enfold doesn’t add it,”
    You still miss the point.

    1: Keeping Metadata is NOT a “functionality”.
    Stripping metadata is a bug.
    Again: Metadata usually stays in the file when you make a copy or edit and you need to be active to get rid of it.
    So there must be something that says “delete the metadata”.
    That means, your idea of finding a plugin is irrelevant and completely points in the wrong direction.
    It is as if i first destroy your car and then say “You need to find a spare parts dealer”
    Not crashing your car is not a functionality.

    1.1: “I also notice that the “IPTC” data is not easily available in image software (on Windows) only EXIF is shown in my software.”
    Thats irrelevant.
    Its in the file…if you see it or not….it doesnt matter.
    Google “sees” them and takes it into account for delivering images to users.
    No IPTC = bad SEO

    2: The theme is in charge.
    So it can overwrite the standards by hooks, functions and whatever.
    That means: Enfold could influence that behaviour

    3: Deleting the metadata is a severe thing to do.
    Like i said before: It can cause very expensive lawsuits.
    Imagine a photographer or a stock agency like Shutterstock makes it mandatory to put their credit as a metadata in the file.
    And then they find a file which doesnt.
    What do you think they will do?

    4: Enfold advertises with “SEO friendly” but this is definitely not “SEO-friendly”
    You might say that Enfold in this point is not worse than any other themes because maybe they all do it like that….but if you really want to be “SEO friendly” you should follow your own claim and make it do it right
    If you dont understand why it is not SEO-friendly” imagine this:
    A photographer has 1000 photos, tagged carefully.
    Now Enfold comes along and creates for every file at least 6 other versions
    So there are 6000 images
    5000 does not contain the keywords, the Author, the copyright and so on.
    Can you advice Google not to spider/index the thumbnails?
    No, you cant.
    Does google like to index dublettes/duplicate content?
    No it does.
    So whats the result?
    The most images which end up in Google does not contain any metadata.

    And maybe you know that image search is a relevant source for SEO, do you?
    That means:
    Any theme that delete metadata boycotts any attempt to get visitors via Google image search.

    Here are some links:

    Does EXIF data impact image SEO ?

    https://www.foregroundweb.com/image-seo/

    Finaly:
    If you really want to stand out of the crowd, if you really want to build a theme thats a win for photographers and designers…… you will fix it.
    Will you?

    February 14, 2021 at 3:40 pm #1280419
    Mike

    Hi,
    I researched this further and found that the default image editor for WordPress is GD and according to WordPress “GD always strips profiles by default“, so since version 4.5 WordPress created a filter to use with Imagick (ImageMagick) to retain the EXIF/IPTC metadata.

    add_filter ('image_strip_meta', false);

    So you will need to ask your webhost to enable Imagick (ImageMagick) in your PHP, and then WordPress will start using it when it creates your different media sizes.
    Another option might be this plugin: ImageMagick Engine, but try asking your webhost first.

    Best regards,
    Mike

    February 15, 2021 at 4:28 pm #1280575
    Maskenzauber

    Thanks Mike,
    thats useful.
    I just enabled ImageMagick on my server.
    But what do i need to do next?
    Regenerating thumbnails is not a good idea since i run Shortpixels.
    At what point does Enfold generate thumbnails?
    – When uploading into the media library??
    – When adding images into a gallery??

    EDIT
    I uploaded the images again, added them into the gallery and it works.
    You can check here with fresh images:
    dev.maskenzauber.com/iptc-test/

    But it seems as if ImageMagick slows down my site dramatically.
    Only when generating images or always???

    Another way could be this:
    Tell Google/Bing not to spider/index thumbnails via x-robots-tag.
    Its not the best way but at least you dont pollute your SEO with untagged images
    https://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/39286/how-to-get-google-and-bing-to-index-original-image-not-thumbnail
    https://developers.google.com/search/reference/robots_meta_tag

    February 16, 2021 at 12:55 pm #1281310
    Mike

    Hi,
    Glad to hear that you got the ImageMagick working. WordPress creates the images when you upload them, Enfold hooks into the same WordPress function and asks WordPress to create the additional “Enfold” sizes. Enfold doesn’t do this on it’s own.
    I don’t have any experience with ImageMagick so I don’t know if ImageMagick uses more resources or not or what it’s advanced settings are.
    I would recommend seeking out advice from an ImageMagick on WordPress expert, as in a freelancer, since ImageMagick is not used by WordPress by default researching into this further is beyond the scope of our support.
    As for the link about adding “noindex” to all of your WordPress created images (thumbnails), to me this seems like a bad idea, but naturally, you are free to experiment with this on your site. The post suggests that you place the code posted in your .htaccess file.

    Best regards,
    Mike

    February 16, 2021 at 3:36 pm #1281370
    Maskenzauber

    I understand that questions about IM is beyound the scope of your support and it wasnt meant as a support request…more like a chat between people who want to solve things.
    And so is this:
    Why do you think, is GD stripping the meta? Dont the Devs know what they do?

    February 17, 2021 at 2:17 pm #1281740
    Mike

    Hi,
    Yes, I do imagine that the WordPress dev team knows about this, since they are the ones that put this into their documentation, and created a way to use the ImageMagick instead of GD.
    But as far as why WordPress would choose GD as the default script (program) over ImageMagick, I’m not 100% sure, but I guess that it has to do with licensing, or that WordPress doesn’t ship with ImageMagick and to use it is depending on if your server has it installed,.. or both?
    I’m sure that somewhere the WordPress dev team explained the reason, but I didn’t find it. You could try going to Make WordPress Core and ask them.

    Best regards,
    Mike

    February 23, 2021 at 11:17 pm #1283266
    Maskenzauber

    OK.
    Still we got some open questions/tasks on the table.

    Fact:
    I filled out all fields that an image offers to put data in it, correct?
    Correct. There arent any more available.
    But still the fields for “alt attribute” and “Copyright” in the WP media library are empty.
    I mean….its 2021, isnt it?
    And its definitely not best practice or modern state of the art to expect from a user to fill out these fields by hand for thousands of images, specially not if there are batch tools like Adobe Lightroom for metadata handling.
    So whats the solution to get these fields filled out without spending my years holiday for it?

    Maren

    February 24, 2021 at 3:21 pm #1283411
    Mike

    Hi,
    These fields in the WP media library are a part of the WP core and are not designed to get info from the images, they are designed to be entered manually by the user. (remember from above: “GD always strips profiles by default”)
    2021-02-24_073816.jpg
    But remember that the default WordPress has the functions for working with the GD script and not ImageMagick, so now that you are using ImageMagick and you want to incorporate its features I would recommend seeking out advice from an ImageMagick on WordPress expert, as in a freelancer, since ImageMagick is not used by WordPress by default researching into this further is beyond the scope of our support.

    Best regards,
    Mike

    February 25, 2021 at 7:02 pm #1283733
    Maskenzauber

    This is not correct.
    Upload an image that contains metadata and you will see how wrong you are – anyway if GD or IM

    (Its a bit strange how often one needs to argue about obvious facts with Enfold mods.
    User: “The earth is not flat”
    Mod: “Yeah it is…”
    User: “Here…proof”
    and than the mod starts to react)
    You want a proof again??

    February 26, 2021 at 12:51 pm #1283833
    Mike

    Hi,
    I certainly don’t want to sound rude, but unfortunately, I have been trying to explain that WordPress doesn’t perform this way.
    You can prove this to yourself by testing on a WordPress install without Enfold and your image with the IPTC
    2021-02-26_054712.jpg

    Best regards,
    Mike

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