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  • #1091737

    Hi,

    I created a page called Insights as my blog, and added a header, some text, and a Blog Content element. I hooked up the menu to it.

    I have set both Enfold and WordPress to use the “Insights” page as my blog page.
    I have set them both to use full text, and Enfold to only show three posts at once.
    However, none of the posts are full text. They all display the header and a “Read More” button.
    What am I missing?
    Thanks.

    #1091877

    Hey lmackinnon,

    Please post us your login credentials (in the “private data” field), so we can take a look at your backend.

    1. Install and activate ” Temporary Login Without Password “.
    2. Go to ” Users > Temporary Logins ” on the left-side menu.
    3. Click ” Create New “.
    4. Add the email address for the account ( you can use (Email address hidden if logged out) ), as well as the ” Role ” making that the highest possible and the expiry about four days
      ( do be sure that we have enough time to debug ).
    5. Click ” Submit “.
    6. You’ll now have a temporary account. Please provide us here in the private section the URL, so we can login and help you out.

    When your issue is fixed, you can always remove the plugin!
    If you prefer to not use the plugin, you can manually create an admin user and post the login credentials in the “private data” field.

    Best regards,
    Nikko

    #1091981

    ok, done. Link in private section. Good for three days.

    #1092813

    Hi lmackinnon,

    We apologize for the delayed response.
    In Enfold > Blog Layout > Blog Layout, I changed it to Use the advance layout editor to build your own blog layout (simply edit the page you have chosen in Enfold->Theme Options as a blog page) so it uses the layout you set on the page.
    However as for the full content, it could not be fetched because the posts are using Advanced Layout Builder. To show the full content you need to use the Default Editor, if you want to use some layouts or elements from the Advanced Layout Builder you can use the magic wand option to generate it.

    Best regards,
    Nikko

    #1092847

    Thanks. Re the following, this is surprising:

    “However as for the full content, it could not be fetched because the posts are using Advanced Layout Builder. To show the full content you need to use the Default Editor, if you want to use some layouts or elements from the Advanced Layout Builder you can use the magic wand option to generate it.”

    What is the intended and recommended behaviour here?

    I assumed that you’d intend blog posts to be written using the advanced layout builder to build better pages. A page is a page (or a post is a post), so it seems strange that the full text cannot be served.

    What do you recommend people do in regards to creating an publishing posts in Enfold?

    #1092991

    Also when you say “To show the full content you need to use the Default Editor,” the default editor in the latest version of WordPress is Guttenberg, which is kind of like the Advanced Layout Builder anyway.
    Are you saying we should use Guttenberg over the Advanced Layout Builder for posts – and if so why not use it for everything … what’s the point of the Advanced Layout Builder any more if we have to use Guttenberg for posts, and Guttneberg and the Advanced Layout Builder do essentially the same thing?
    Or, are you saying we should install a plugin for the classic editor, and use that for posts?
    This all seems very unsatisfactory, on a design level.
    I look forward to your further advice around how to proceed. :)

    #1093504

    Hi,

    Thanks for the updatee.

    The theme has been available in the market for more than 6 years while Gutenberg or the block editor was just released or merged in the core last year, December 6th, 2018 to be exact. A lot of users have been using the default editor, known as classic editor now, in the past 5 years or so if they want to automatically display the excerpt of full content in the blog overview page, and add the excerpt manually if they chose to use the advance layout builder. It was and still is the intended behavior between the advance layout builder and the classic editor. Same behavior is applied when you switch to the block editor. To clarify, you have to add an excerpt manually if you want to display a summary in the blog overview page for posts created with the advance layout builder. The ALB content will display in the actual post. The excerpt or the full content will display automatically when you switch to the classic or the block editor.

    Best regards,
    Ismael

    #1093513

    Hi Ismael,

    I am having trouble following what you wrote, perhaps this is because you did not use line breaks.

    “The theme has been available in the market for more than 6 years while Gutenberg or the block editor was just released or merged in the core last year, December 6th, 2018 to be exact.”

    I get that point, thanks. And presumably Guttenberg was pre-announced and open source, and developers such as ENfold’s developers presumably had access for at least a year or so before release to look into it and decide what it means for you. I doubt it was just sprung on you overnight on launch day.

    “A lot of users have been using the default editor, known as classic editor now, in the past 5 years or so if they want to automatically display the excerpt of full content in the blog overview page, and add the excerpt manually if they chose to use the advance layout builder. It was and still is the intended behavior between the advance layout builder and the classic editor.”

    I am not sure what your point is here. Are you saying that prior to Guttenberg, the Advanced Layout Editor didn’t publish the full text anyway, so if people wanted the full text they had to use the default / classic editor anyway?

    And are you further saying that that this is the “intended” or as-designed behaviour – people using the Advanced Layout Editor should never see full text where the blog layout is meant to show full text?

    “Same behavior is applied when you switch to the block editor.”

    Is your point there that you are saying that this is the same problem whether people use the Advanced Layout Editor or the Guttenberg Block Editor?

    “To clarify, you have to add an excerpt manually if you want to display a summary in the blog overview page for posts created with the advance layout builder. The ALB content will display in the actual post. The excerpt or the full content will display automatically when you switch to the classic or the block editor.”

    Is this repeating the point from above to “add the excerpt manually if they chose to use the advance layout builder” (and saying the post itself displays ok, which I knew) or is it adding a new distinction? I’m not sure what this paragraph is saying.

    Also, when we add the excerpt manually, do you mean type in plan text in the “Excerpt” section in the sidebar when editing the post, or do you mean something else?

    Also, could you address:

    1. What is this “magic wand” thing mentioned above to turn an advanced layout post into a default layout post, and how do I use it?
    2. What do your other users tend to do – do they stick with classic mode for Posts, or do they use the Advanced Layout Builder and write excerpts for each Post?

    Thanks!

    #1093533

    Hi!

    Thanks for the update.

    I am not sure what your point is here. Are you saying that prior to Guttenberg, the Advanced Layout Editor didn’t publish the full text anyway, so if people wanted the full text they had to use the default / classic editor anyway?

    Yes, that’s correct. The advance layout builder requires a special template to render the shortcode or elements. That template is not included inside the template used to display the blog overview page.

    Is your point there that you are saying that this is the same problem whether people use the Advanced Layout Editor or the Guttenberg Block Editor?

    Again, that’s correct. I wouldn’t say it’s a problem though as explained previously.

    Also, when we add the excerpt manually, do you mean type in plan text in the “Excerpt” section in the sidebar when editing the post, or do you mean something else?

    Yes, that’s how you add excerpts for posts created with the advance layout builder.

    1. What is this “magic wand” thing mentioned above to turn an advanced layout post into a default layout post, and how do I use it?

    That wand or shortcode generator is available on the default editor’s Visual mode. It’s right beside the “Permanent Line Break” icon at the very end of the Visual toolbar. As the name would suggest, you can use that to insert shortcodes or builder elements in the default editor.

    2. What do your other users tend to do – do they stick with classic mode for Posts, or do they use the Advanced Layout Builder and write excerpts for each Post?

    We usually have to explain this to a lot of users. Just like you, some of them expected the content added via the advance layout builder to display automatically in the blog overview page. We are not really sure if they stick with the advance layout builder and add the excerpt manually after, but we do recommend using the default editor because ALB seems to be an overkill for a simple post unless you’re planning to add full width elements (e.g color section, full width slider, grid row etc) in the page, which is not available in the default editor or the shortcode wand..

    Regards,
    Ismael

    #1093538

    great, thanks for the elaborations. Re this:

    We usually have to explain this to a lot of users. Just like you, some of them expected the content added via the advance layout builder to display automatically in the blog overview page. We are not really sure if they stick with the advance layout builder and add the excerpt manually after, but we do recommend using the default editor because ALB seems to be an overkill for a simple post unless you’re planning to add full width elements (e.g color section, full width slider, grid row etc) in the page, which is not available in the default editor or the shortcode wand..

    I think from what you say, it sounds like using the classic default editor (not the Guttenberg Block editor) is the way to go, as it is basically producing articles not full-width / fancy content, and the ALB does seem to be “overkill” for this.
    For the Posts I already created, do you recommend I try to re-do them as classec default editor Posts to get the full text?
    I guess its un-necessary, I can just create the excerpt manually.

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 9 months ago by lmackinnon.
    #1093856

    Hi,

    Thanks for the update.

    Yes, we recommend switching all posts to the default editor. It gives you the additional convenience of not having to add the excerpt manually for the blog overview page. It can be enabled from the Enfold > Theme Options > “Select Your Editor” settings.

    Best regards,
    Ismael

    #1094869

    Well this is weird. If I switch from the ALB to “default” (Guttenberg blocks) and then just hit update, without changing anything, it works (shows the full text).
    I think you / the ALB developers / WordPress could help users by thinking through the design around this and how its meant to work so its more intuitive for users.

    #1095245

    Hi,

    I’m not sure what’s odd about that. We just told you that the excerpt or the full content will display automatically when ALB is disabled. It doesn’t matter if it’s the block or the classic one. And please note that the elements in the builder are actually shortcodes, so they will still display when you switch to a default editor.

    Best regards,
    Ismael

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